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God loves his Church and we can trust hell do what is necessary to preserve it. Our enemy loves this. One person (not from Harvest) asked if I needed to call the church to cancel my membership. 7. Those are things we dont talk about often enough about. DeeperWalkInternational.org. Let us examine ourselves for unconfessed sin and seek to live in fear of the Lord lest bitterness overtake us.. No one asked why I quit attending after 15 years. We left Harvest for, among other reasons, the bad theology and overall silliness of the womens ministry. On February 13th, the elders at HBC fired MacDonald, citing highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald that were given to media the day before. To heal enough to communicate and receiving shaming comments like yours. She loves the Word and words, is a binge reader and grammar nut, and is fanatic (as her family can attest) about Jeopardy! Gods hand is on Harvest and the dark is continuing to be shown. 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Please pray for all of the member/attendees who are struggling, as we are grieving a loss of our church base and have felt the wrath, unfortunately. The Bible even says Truth shall set you free. Youre sharing your story and I think those who have been hurt by HBC (including me) needs to hear these stories. then the sermons and teaching were getting distorted and weird. We are currently experiencing similar tragedy at HBC-Naples. I think that was beautifully stated. Im one of the people who asked you to share why you left. You can read that story right here. Often it was the leadership that lost track and influenced the group. The leader of that church, John Secrest, was blindsided by the news and asked Harvest elders to reconsider allowing MacDonald to preach there. The bloggers began posting again, however, in 2017, around the same time that Harvest Bible Fellowship was dissolved in 2017, due in part to concerns by some some member churches about how Harvest was managing the fellowships finances. When God led me to leave HBC, I remember being so sad and afraid and wondering if I was hearing Him correctly. While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. Harvest Bible Chapel has fired its founder and senior pastor James MacDonald following years of controversial behavior, financial scandal and allegations of bullying and intimidation. So Ill never forget the day I got up from my seat in a service, walked out, and never looked back. It wasnt that we saw corruption in our church. Nothing will change at Harvest if the cancer of fear is not exposed . A former Harvest staffer was also reported to police last fall after being accused of embezzling $270,000 from the church. Each weekend, services include live, vertical-focused worship. I believe that now IS an appropriate time to share your story. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. Thank you for speaking out, Lina! Im very certain you do not understand narcissists and how manipulative they are I recommend Dr. Ramani on YouTube as she is a great resource to gain understanding but the only chance to fight their evil is to bring it out into the light, expose them for what they truly are. In keeping with our past private statements to Harvests leadership and to our pastorsThe primary issue is not reconciliation or peacemaking, it is repentance, GCC elders said in a January 17 statement. needless to say she did not go back and found a great church she was able to become a part of during her college years. These patterns were present and recognized as early as 2012, and nothing was done about them. My family attended a smaller Harvest church close to Elgin. So I called one of the elders in the video and got his side of the story. What is strange about your concern about your own fear is I have been of thee opinion that Pastor James must have been ruled by his own fear-fear of losing influence and the fear of losing his ministry. Wake up this tragedy has been in the works a long time. She was obedient to Christ. (Proverbs 16:18). These are the same elders that approved this same law suit to be dropped when James and co. knew that they would have to open all the books and all the dirt would come out! As Gods word says it would. I simply could not reconcile the lies that were shared from the pulpit with the truths that I knew regarding issues in the church. Can you please contact me from the Contact button on my web page here? There are times in our lives and circumstances that its just not real clear as to how to address something, with as little harm to what is good, as possible. This all happens when we gather, grow and go together as followers of Jesus. They all need to be excised ( fired ), along with number one enabler extraordinaire of James, Rick Donald, along with the MacDonald boys, along with every single campus pastor and the other pastors, and throw in the worship leaders ( they are all complicit ), then the cancer would have been completely removed and the body ( the good people of Harvest that are being fleeced ) would have a chance to heal and become part of a true biblical church. The Spirit has shown me that Church, the Body of called out believers are those Christians you meet with. Please avoid these former Harvest elders at all cost, lest you incur great detriment to your own soul. Theres a difference between stirring the pot and exposing false teachers as the Scriptures instruct us to do. I would recommend A book Joy Starts Here and The Pandora Problem Facing Narcissism in Leaders & Ourselves as helpful to possibly understand how whats happened can be explained and perhaps bring healing and prevention as members move forward. All I have to say Lina is thank you! But He is in control of everything and if He wants HBC to continue, it will continue. Of course people can join in with instruments too. Jackie Alfirevic HBC mothership (1992-2011). whos fault is this? Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand., And even JMac was right when he quoted 1 Corinthians 16:13: *Strong Bad: Just for the record, in all kindness Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. Im replying after reading just your first few paragraphs. Looking sideways (practical love): I believe Yahweh has me where He wants me. *For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. I have my own hurt of how certain situations were handled with me through the 20s ministry Then soon after that, the 30s ministry, production ministry and even the womens ministry on multiple occasions. What Happens Now? A book called the Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse really helped me and my wife to recover from our experience of confronting the pastor and then leaving the church. An eight-month investigation into pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel, his Chicago-area megachurch, culminated last week with the publication of a World Magazine article by Julie Roys. Whatever is wrong in Gods eyes He will bring someone to reveal it. While many in the congregation were willing to give it a second chance, some members raised concerns about many of these individuals closeness to MacDonald, and their willingness to cover for him for so long. Truth is healthy. Sheri and her husband Gary attended Cornerstone in the 1980s while attending Azusa Pacific and in their first few years of marriage. You are a blessing to many in need. Did you see the link to my web page. I loved that about you. Bless you! I agree with Nellie. Lina, this took courage and Im glad you said it. I work every day to be rid of my anger and thank you for proving that church is an unsafe place filled with predictors such as yourself seeking to tear down. I had a bad experience at the Chapel myself. Leaving without speaking up was still an act of cowardice and self-preservation. Sounds like your faith in self is overwhelming only yourself! Theyre gone. www. Thank you for being honest and speaking truth. On January 8th, after learning that anything obtained through subpoenas related to the lawsuit could be made public, however, Harvest Bible Chapel dropped the lawsuit. School of the Bible at 9:00am Wednesdaysat 7:00pm Give Online Contact Us 10088 N. Highway 99 Stockton, CA 95212 office@hbcstockton.org (209) 931-9548 Copyright 2023, Harvest Bible Church. What would it take to convince an elder board to question its pastor? I do not think the solution is replacing the pastor and associates with a new administration. As were you, we were grieving and had to pray for help finding that new church. The problem was not so much the pastor but the members that lived worldly. And a few days later James MacDonalds sons, Luke and Landon MacDonald, also announced they are resigning. Conversions credited to women evangelists sharing the good news one-on-one in conversations. Criticism of MacDonald begun to surface on The Elephants Debt, a blog founded in 2012, run by Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant, former members era of Harvest Bible Church. Less well known was that these individuals agreed to leave Harvest aloneto stop publicly criticizing the churchin exchange for a promise that the current elder board would enact changes. I do not believe your timing should be questioned. Fear. I hope that you are recovering well, for you have added a vital piece of information. Some women were still in the middle of the trauma and were still currently attending Harvest. Be blessed dear Sister. With my life and schedule, my friends are few and far between, and have always been aware that my saying anything publicly about Harvest or James would jeopardize those friendships that I still love and value so much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISjXhWUyGi0&list=PLud2nIxx0IAT58I8QPBdfrOz8bFMQQcd6&index=4&t=0s. All why surrounding himself w/yes men. Data Coordination. When we left, after having posted a letter to the elders, not a single person called us to see how we were doing. 8. Amen to that. Not everything needs to be about Polititcs. Kenny Foreman, Founder of Cathedral of Faith, Passes Away at 88, Millennials Cant Buy MeaningLets Talk the Meaning of Life. Stressful on him and his family. 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